Friday, May 21, 2010

Hey what is the whole story about the black dahlia? what is it really about?

"A murder crime unsolved".. Beth Short is a pretty young woman with dreams of being an actress. Known as the Black Dahlia, she is horribly murdered and mutilated in Hollywood's most notorious unsolved case. ... And this fall, Hollywood will recast her tragic plight in a star-studded Black Dahlia movie ..

Hey what is the whole story about the black dahlia? what is it really about?
I bet you could go to the movie rental place and rent the "original" Black Dahlia movie.





I don't remember ANYTHING about her being cut in half in the original movie!!!!
Reply:This looks interesting...http://www.bethshort.com/dahhome.htm
Reply:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahli...
Reply:Beth Short was murdered, mutilated, and her body was cut in half before being left on the side of the road.





The killer was never caught, despite a massive investigation that continues to this day.


Anyone else think the acting in Hollywoodland and Black Dahlia was pathetic?

I think these two movies showcased the lack of quality in acting today. The popular actors are incapable of pulling of the Film Noir style. I was hoping for LA Confidential but these movies were horrible.

Anyone else think the acting in Hollywoodland and Black Dahlia was pathetic?
Yeah, it was pretty bad. I think more effort went into the scenery and costumes than the actual content. If only clothes could act...
Reply:Hollywoodland was ok with me... a little slow-paced but good all around performances in my opinion.





i couldn't agree more about Black Dahlia however. the only good performance was the blonde detective.





everyone else just plain stunk


Do you know this movie, inspired by the Black Dahlia murder?

I saw it years ago, so I'm sketchy about the details. As I recall, a young artist "meets" a woman long-distance (through the internet?). They talk often on the telephone, planning a future visit when she will come and meet him in person. She tells him she wants him to paint a picture of her based on a photograph she sends him. After he paints the picture, she persuades him to alter it, making the subject appear to have been cut in two. Afterward, the woman in the photograph is found murdered, posed exactly like the painting--so naturally the artist becomes the prime suspect. The film was probably made in the 1990s.

Do you know this movie, inspired by the Black Dahlia murder?
G'day Allan S,





Thank you for your question.





So far, there have been a couple of telemovies based on the Black Dahlia case.





They are:





* A 1975 TV movie about the case, Who Is the Black Dahlia by Robert Lenski and starring Lucie Arnaz is a highly fictionalized version of the murder. Many details were changed because several people, including Short's mother and Red Manley, who brought Short from San Diego to Los Angeles, refused to sign releases for the studio.





* A 1988 episode of the TV detective thriller Hunter depicts Rick Hunter and Dee Dee McCall discovering a case similar to the Black Dahlia murder when a skeleton that has been cut in half is found during demolition of a building constructed in 1947. Hunter and McCall are joined by a retired detective who worked on the Elizabeth Short case. The murderer in the recent case turns out to be Short's murderer as well. (A disclaimer at the end of the episode explains that the Black Dahlia case remains open and unsolved on the books of the Los Angeles Police Department.)





As well, there is a film in pipeline based on the case. Neo-noir author James Ellroy based his 1987 book, The Black Dahlia on the crime. A film by Brian De Palma, based on the Ellroy novel, began production in Bulgaria in May 2005. Also titled The Black Dahlia, the movie will star Josh Hartnett, Aaron Eckhart, Scarlett Johansson, Hilary Swank, and Mia Kirshner as Elizabeth Short, and is planned for release in September 2006.





I attach some sources for your reference.





Regards
Reply:if my memory serves me right ....the black dahlia...is based on a true story of a want 2 be actress .she was murdered in the 50's...like i said i am not 100 % sure ?
Reply:no
Reply:Nope.I did follow the case when they discovered recently who she was though. Peace.
Reply:I've heard it too... I think you've got the right idea about the actual murder but I'm not so sure about the painter!!! The murder is SO gruesome (the murder happened decades ago -- I've seen the photos on a TV documentary).... apparently she (Elizabeth Short) was cut in half and all her internal organs are removed... can't wait till the movie hits our screens in Australia!!
Reply:the internet shows that a TV show/ movie played in 1975 " Who is the Black Dahlia"





Also, there is one that is being done this year 2006











just a thought of mine, it looks like the artist was not really communicating with Black Dahlia (Elizabeth Short). 1947 would be in the satge of penpals - witing letters by post mail. it is very common in the net these days but also it could have been possibly very much done in the old times to use someones name or personallity in creating long distance relationships - make believe relationships can be done easily when you don't really see the real person. OR the Black Dahlia could have been very close to someone that she has shared every little detail that she has been telling or asking the artist and that close friend was jealous.


Why is the public so fascinated by the Black Dahlia?

Who would cut a woman in half, drain all her blood and leave the severed parts in a field.





And without getting detected? That, my friend, is a perfect crime.

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Who would you rather date, judging by the name: Dahlia, Emily, Leigh, or Blue?

the name isnt important

Who would you rather date, judging by the name: Dahlia, Emily, Leigh, or Blue?
Can I try each first? seriously though... I think Leigh sounds the most interesting!
Reply:Dahlia.


Lets just hope her personality is as cute as her name. = )
Reply:I don't date girls, but I like the names Emily and Blue is origanal!
Reply:blue or emily
Reply:blue..sounds different..then again my dog is called blue so i've changed my mind...leigh it is now lol
Reply:Dahlia
Reply:Blue: it sounds the most like a guys name....but italso sounds a bit...scary..... leigh sounds foreign.
Reply:Blue, of course!
Reply:dahlia
Reply:Emily
Reply:I'm a girl, but Emily is one of my favourite names. So Emily the boy would be cool :]
Reply:blue
Reply:Dahlia - sounds like blonde and big t!ts


Emily - sounds skinny with nice long legs


Leigh - sounds like black hair and bigg butt


Blue - sounds like a pornstar





Tough choice!





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What's your name?
Reply:Emily even though I'm a girl and straight but I'm just saying
Reply:emily for sure
Reply:Blue, cuz its least girly
Reply:Emily I'm straight so no I just like the name Emily a lot
Reply:Blue! He's been bugging me for months, thought I think he justs wants a night or two in bed.
Reply:I choose Blue only because they are probably very unique.


Emily is a very boring name.Dahlia and Leigh i don't even know how to pronounce it
Reply:emily
Reply:My name is Emily Leigh, so try either!
Reply:Emily
Reply:Blue, it sounds like a hippie chick. i like hippie chicks...lol
Reply:Leigh
Reply:Emily
Reply:Dahlia
Reply:Either Leigh or Blue
Reply:leigh cuz that's the only one that sounds like it might b a guys name... except blue.. but i dt i'd wanna date a blue lol
Reply:emily


I just rented and watched the movie The Black Dahlia and I have a question?

did you get it? and if so what did I miss? this movie was very hard to understand and I was wondering if someone can brief me?

I just rented and watched the movie The Black Dahlia and I have a question?
That's because this movie is a huge piece of crap. This could have been a much better movie but they botched things on so many levels.





I would google the Black Dahlia to get the history.
Reply:The theory is that her friends father, the doctor, killed her and the daughter helped. Elizabeth Short supposedly had an affair with him.
Reply:it was an unsolved crime. the killer they thought worked in the medical field because the the draining of blood the sawing of bones. they said she was a hooker, then they thought that she was a guy dressed up like a female. back then they contaminated the crime scene. they never had anything like that. to this day they have no answers. the director just wrote what he thought had happened
Reply:the whole movie is based off of what the director think happened to her, the case was never really solved. In the movie she was killed by the mother and the gimpy dude of the rich family, but as for the way they did it i don't remember I'd have to watch it again to give you a good detailed answer sorry.
Reply:i watchd it but didnt understand a thing.a guy boxing down his own friend?wat sense does it make?.......
Reply:You need to not see this movie for the Murder and for what was going on with the two police men. If you still have it look at the special features of the movie and it was the writers point of view. The sad thing is Elizabeth short will never get justice. James Elroy due to his mom being killed wrote this book. check out www.crimelibrary.com for the true story. Also check out his mom. The best books on the subject is Severed %26amp; the black Dahlia FBI files by the way.
Reply:uh, i've watched it few times. what part didn't u understand?





i'll try my best to inform you the fastest way - the scenes directly after Josh Hartnett finds the hidden money under the floortile tells about his partner's crimes - then the scene with the family on the staircase at the unravels who killed Elisabeth Short (The Black Dahlia). watch them again for the answers - too long to really explain everything.


I live in Illinois and I just purchased some Dahlia bulbs. Are these plants going to be hard to care for?

I would love any advice on how to care for these plants. When should I plant them? Will they thrive in chicago?

I live in Illinois and I just purchased some Dahlia bulbs. Are these plants going to be hard to care for?
alright, here are the facts, beautiful flowers ,no maintenance,you can plant now, and water well,


just have to pull up before frost and save for next year,
Reply:They are the most beautiful flowers, just follow the instructions exactly, you will love them. Look on the computer for more advice.(nursery advice)
Reply:I live about two hours south of you and dahlias do great here. Just give them a big drink after you plant them and you do have to dig them up in the fall.


Why would someone be interested in reading The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy? (newer version)?

I read it because I had read his 'L.A. Confidential' and seen the movie (great book, great movie - killer cast). Since I had liked that one so much, I bought 'The Black Dahlia'.

Why would someone be interested in reading The Black Dahlia by James Ellroy? (newer version)?
What exactly is in the "newer version"? I checked Amazon, and there's no mention of anything other than a new afterward by Ellroy. It's a great book--got me hooked on Ellroy, and I don't read much in the way of crime/mystery fiction.
Reply:It's a fascinating case. I've read at least 3 books on the case over the past 20 years and I'd still read another one.
Reply:To see if there's as much nudity in the book as there was in the movie.





Thanks for asking!
Reply:oh lets see...cause they like that genre of story?they have a morbid fascination?they live in hollywood and they want to be able to speak informativly on the subject?they found the book in a hospital waiting room?theyre related to the charactors involved?





why is blue my favourite color?

Rubber Slippers

Where i Find subtitltes for the movie The Blue Dahlia from 1946?

if somebody know or have this subtitlte.

Where i Find subtitltes for the movie The Blue Dahlia from 1946?
www.google.com ??


Concerning gardening Is it to late to move a dahlia tuber to a better location in the garden?

What is the worst that is going to happen? Just do it quickly on a cool day especially(at the end of the day)and take a larger amount of soil with it. And toss in some root starter fertilizer for good measure but don't OD it.

Concerning gardening Is it to late to move a dahlia tuber to a better location in the garden?
I live in Zone 6-5 and take my Dahlia tubers out every fall. They are stored in a paper bag in the dark cellar and put in the garden after the danger of frost is gone.





One year, I used bone meal when I bedded them. Big mistake! Some grubbing animal (raccoon? possum? squirrel? skunk?) dug them all up. What a mess they made, too.





Fortunately my neighbor had hundreds and was able to provide me with more.
Reply:Need more info as to what zone you live in or what state. Depending on your location, you would transplant differently. If you are in the Northeast you would need to remove it around the first mild frost.


What did you think of the movie the black dahlia?

I remember the actual case. Both fascinating and heartbreaking.





The film does have some deviations from the truth:





lesbianism, porn, sex for money, and the reporters





1. Elizabeth Short (she did not have a middle name..another deviation) was not a whore, or doing porn or engaging in lesbianism.





2. The reporters had already taken photos of the body ...and sent them into their editors ...before the scene was declared off limits. So much for the police trying to hide the fact her body was mutilated (it was a different world then .. the media did not thrive on human sorrow).

What did you think of the movie the black dahlia?
never seen it but has been dying to see it





was it good?
Reply:Should have been a great film. The screenwriting and the editing left the movie floundering for direction and purpose of story. Too bad, the acting was rather good considering what they had to work with.
Reply:never seen it...
Reply:never saw it
Reply:it was ok, josh hartnet has played in better


Whose voice is it in the movie The Black Dahlia? The one who interviews Elizabeth Smart while she auditions.?

Barbara Walters

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How did Elizabeth Short get the nick name Black Dahlia?

According to newspaper reports shortly after the murder, Short received the nickname Black Dahlia at a Long Beach drugstore in the summer of 1946, as a play on the then-current movie The Blue Dahlia, starring Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake. However, Los Angeles County district attorney investigators' reports state the nickname was invented by newspaper reporters covering the murder. In either case, Short was not generally known as the "Black Dahlia" in life.

How did Elizabeth Short get the nick name Black Dahlia?
She wore black all the time and at the time that she received her nickname the movie The Blue Dahlia was in theaters, so some guys began to call Beth the Black Dahlia and it stuck. But, this is only speculation. The press might have dubbed her with the nickname for sensationilism. No one knows for sure.
Reply:Because of her black hair.And because of her pechant for dark attired.








Here's the bigraphy link.





this also shows her plaque she was honored.which states the answer to your question.
Reply:some say it was from her hair and attire others say it came from the media. for more go to google type in elizabeth short and look at the websites.


Will anyone be going to watch "The Black Dahlia" movie opening this weekend? I think I will!?

It's a great movie, I'm sure.

Will anyone be going to watch "The Black Dahlia" movie opening this weekend? I think I will!?
Yup - Scarlett is the babe!
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Reply:Not me. That's going to be so depressing. I remember reading about the story long ago, and I must admit to curiosity about it. But especially if they show any of the gory scenes . . . no, not me.
Reply:I haven't decided. I've read three books about Elizabeth Short, aka "The Black Dahlia". Two people claim their fathers killed Liz. The third book is a James Elroy novel, and the movie is derived from it. Elroy's mother was killed somewhat like Liz, so he became fascinated by Liz. The movie gets mixed reviews, but it sounds as if it focuses all too much upon two fictional cops in the novel and has too little about Liz who should be the center of attention. Personlly, I don't like Elroy's book or his characters.
Reply:yea but i hear it doesnt tell the true story, because the real lady wasnt a prostitute??
Reply:Hell, yes! Its supposed to be fantastic. Empire magazine just raves about it. Its sure to be a good bet.


Tell me what u think of 'the black dahlia' film poster?

its for my media coursework.


thanks!

Tell me what u think of 'the black dahlia' film poster?
The Black Dahlia Movie Synopsis: A fictionalized tale of obsession, love, corruption, greed and depravity set around the true story of the brutal murder of a fledgling Hollywood starlet that shocked and fascinated the nation in 1947 and remains unsolved today.





The poster is very dramatic and depicts a seemingly dead, pale beauty with a trickle of blood coming out of the side of her mouth. She has a live flower in her hair, her eyes are open and her skin is flawless although she looks more like a manequin than a dead body, set against a black backdrop. The poster is effective in getting attention and the subject gives the viewer a feeeling of dead calm which is eerie and inspires interest in the story.
Reply:Nothing stimulating about a woman with black blood dripping from her mouth. Cornball city. I wish they would've come up with something more drawing to the eye.
Reply:its made of paper that comes from woodit propably has that scarlett joha-thingy on it too.





any help?
Reply:I have seen 3 different posters. In the one looking to the side, the lipstick shows where the cut is going to go. I the other she is dead and blood is running from her mouth and the other shows the whole cast over the Title. I have not seen the movie but the posters suggest it happened a long time ago. They are using a film noir technique AND perhaps this woman did something with her mouth that incured the wrath of a murder. It does not look like murder by stranger because her mouth distortion looks like someone hated her.


Should we go see the movie "The Black Dahlia" tonight?

Is this movie a waste of my money?

Should we go see the movie "The Black Dahlia" tonight?
While the story is very intriguing, this version of the film is tripe.





The facts in it are like all Hollywood stories fake and the acting wooden. Its a straight to the Video Rental Movie kinda film.





Get a book on the story and you wont go wrong
Reply:idunno. its whatever YOU think it is. we can't tell you what movie you want to see or not thats all YOUR decision.





and its NOT a waste of money if you actually wanted to see it.
Reply:no go see see Barney. it is the best movie ever!
Reply:Go see the Descent!
Reply:The reviews have been mediocre. Depends are you into time pieces??
Reply:i was a the cinema tonight to see it...i thought it was good id go see it again
Reply:No, it looks boring and I don't like Josh Hartnett. Buy the book instead.





I recommend Little Miss Sunshine if it is playing near you.
Reply:If you like the whole Black Dahlia Mistery thing it is probably a must, also if you do like Thrillers, otherwise go see the Illusionist instead...thats a good one.


What would interest you most about the Black Dahlia murder?

Im doing HistoryDay on Elizabeth Short.. the young aspiring actress who was murdered in 1947.. its a mystery.. and its really interesting because she was cut in half at the waist, It was really actually sad, but the story as a whole is really rather interesting.. anyway, if you were going to be watching like a 10 minute performance about this... what would most interest you??.. just about her murder.. or.. should we tell her whole life sotry... give me some stuff you would want to see.. PLZ HELP.... ahhhh

What would interest you most about the Black Dahlia murder?
I would include all the grisly details. It's what people want to see. I know her life story and she did have a fascinating life, but people want to hear about her murder.
Reply:I hope you will make a better movie or write a better book than the ones that just came out.





It interests me because no one knows who did it - to this day, they have no clue. I wish we could go back and play the whole thing again - something , somehere was very overlooked by the police. We would need both her life story and the whole murder scene again....
Reply:Why it was done. I know people get murdered all the time and a lot of the time for no reason at all, but cut in half? And left in a neighborhood? Why? THat is the biggest question, and I think more intriguing than who at this point.


What comes to your mind when I say Dahlia?

It was a movie and guess what? The lady who was murdered lived in an apartment in a town called Medford Massachusetts and i lived 2 floors above the place she lived in but she wasn't living there at the time i was born, i wasn't even alive, she wasn't murdered in that house, she moved to L.A. to be an actor and she was murdered there, its so freaky to talk about. I found out a bout 2 weeks ago by my mother, i had never knew at the time, i live in Malibu now so its kind of werid.

What comes to your mind when I say Dahlia?
a horrible boss I had.
Reply:the movie, "the black dahlia"
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Reply:Delilah, then "Hey There Delilah" then Plain White Ts...





Yeah.
Reply:The word "Black"
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Reply:A very sweet girl
Reply:a movie
Reply:Beautiful
Reply:the black dahlia murder case
Reply:Black Dahlia..
Reply:The movie Black Dahlia. Which leads to Scarlett Johannsen. Which leads to drool...♥
Reply:hey now......
Reply:Beautiful murder victim.
Reply:flower
Reply:My, My, My
Reply:the movie
Reply:my friend. or black dahlia. but mostly my friend.

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Could someone explain the plot of the black dahlia for me??

I watched the film last week, but i didn't really understand the ending, could someone explain it to me please??

Could someone explain the plot of the black dahlia for me??
The movie was weak...the book was much better.





(SPOILER ALERT)





Hilary Swank's mother was the one who killed the girl. Her husband and that gardener guy were making dirty movies with the girl in that run down house. The mother found out about it and did the killing.
Reply:I thought I was the only one who didn't get it. I thought it was stupid and that goes to prove that the critics are paid by the production companies to boost sales. And what was with that stupid *** box?
Reply:stupid movie... I was mad at it. it just came apart at the end
Reply:sorry i didt get it either
Reply:Maybe I should see the movie you are talking about, but, you are aware that "The Black Dahlia" is a true, unsolved murder?


Where can i find a literary criticism on Dahlia Ravikovitch??

appreciate ur help. i've been trying 2 find 1 buts its been difficult.

Where can i find a literary criticism on Dahlia Ravikovitch??
Online is usually a dead end for literary criticism. You need to look in used book stores (who usually have large literary criticism sections, but you never know which books you'll be able to find) or (your best bet) a college library.


Where in Metro Manila, Philippines can we buy dahlia flowers? My friend is trying to find some...?

Try the nearest flower shop


Ccan someone tell me more about the black dahlia murder?

ive read reports bios wont look at the pictures to scarreed i must admit it sounds like there horribly gruesome.

Ccan someone tell me more about the black dahlia murder?
onme of the great mysteries the police could not solve with the technology of the time. today, more evidence would be available and the case solved- perhaps!
Reply:Cases like this one happen all the time. The woman's body was dismembered and left in weed infested lot. The local tabloids labeled it the Black Dahlia case and it took off, dominated the papers for weeks.

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I just bought my tickets to The Black Dahlia Murder?

Do you like them?





Their lyrics are awesome. I think some of their lyrics would be really awesome made into a tattoo.

I just bought my tickets to The Black Dahlia Murder?
they're tight








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Reply:Sweet! Do you like Industrial? I went to see Ministry Wednesday in St. Pete, Bad @ss show!
Reply:Haha, they're so sweet!!!





I lovem ta DEATH!!! ^^





I haven't seen them live :'(
Reply:I loooove BDM.


Can't wait to see them again at Summer Slaughter.
Reply:i think you paid for crap








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Do any girls like heavy metal like black dahlia murder??

like stuff totally mosh worthy but like also like stuff on the softer side like blues and stuff? lol jsut curious

Do any girls like heavy metal like black dahlia murder??
Hey, This is your nightmare: The bands you listed isn't heavy metal or any type of metal at ALL. Not even close, dude.


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I love the Black Dahlia Murder, BMTH, Darkest Hour, Cannibal Corpse, Heaven Shall Burn, Suicide Silence, the list could go on really.





Isn't the Black Dahlia Murder more of a death metal/core band?





You have great taste in music though :D





Edit:


oh word to lifeisgood.


lol.
Reply:I am in love with heavy metal, I will listen to anything though.


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Reply:yes, bands like metallica, maiden, sabbath, slayer are my faves





blues? i luv Steveie Ray , Eric Clapton and Jethro Tull ^_^
Reply:uhh yea!


It's all I listen to haha. My favorite band is Metallica but I like any of it because it never gets old. (=





But I hate it when people say they do and then make reference to boy bands like Fall Out Boy and Panice At the Disco and stuff that is not even metal at all!!! They need to hear some real metal bands because those are not even close haha
Reply:hmmmmm mosh pits.. goood times.. hahaha
Reply:Heck ya!; Bands I like; Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Avenge Sevenfold, Good Charlotte, Linkin Park, +44 (Blink 182), The Academy Is..., Panic! at the Disco (yes, i'm keeping the !), Green Day, Daughtry, Trapt, Nickelback, Boys Like Girls, Gym Class Heroes, Daughtry, Paramore, The Used, P!ink, Bowling For Soup, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Avril Lavigne, and a whole lot more!
Reply:Love that kinda music! Thats how I found my Fiance... at a Three days Grace concert!
Reply:yes,i like evanescence(or sum then like that) Paramore,


P!NK,Fall-Out-Boy,Panic@da Disco,Boys Like Girls and all the rest,i mean who wouldn't? they're Bad ***
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What is the bloom size of an Osaka Dahlia?

If you are generous with the fertilizer, they can be the size of a dinner plate.





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What is the best book about The Black Dahlia?

I have watched a few documentaries about it and just recently saw the movie (which was horrible by the way). And I want to know more about the facts, what really happened. Who she was and details about the crime etc. I know there are alot of books about it but which are the best? I want to read facts, not fiction.

What is the best book about The Black Dahlia?
The James Ellroy book is the only one I've read, and I don't think I'd use it as a reference. I really enjoy reading his books but realistically they are all the same story retold, many times even with the same names.
Reply:I don't know which book is better. I'm not familiar with any of the authors I've seen. I did find a link which contains crime scene photos though. It has a warning that the photos are graphic. You may find something useful on there.

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What is the music played in "The Black Dahlia" movie TRAILER?

it is one of these songs...the soundtrack.


1.


The Zoot Suit Riots


2.


At Norton and Coliseum


3.


The Dahlia


4.


The Two of Us


5.


Mr. Fire versus Mr. Ice


6.


Madeline


7.


Dwight and Kay


8.


Hollywoodland


9.


Red Arrow Inn


10.


Men Who Feed on Others


11.


Super Cops


12.


Death at the Olympic


13.


No Other Way


14.


Betty Short


15.


Nothing Stays Buried Forever


What Are Some Good Songs By The Black Dahlia Murder?

IF YOUR GOING TO SAY NONE DON'T EVEN BOTHER ANSWERING THE QUESTION!

What Are Some Good Songs By The Black Dahlia Murder?
Funeral Thirst


The Blackest Incarnation


Closed Casket Requiem


Contagion
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Hymn For The Wretched


Spite Suicide


A Vulgar Picture


What a Horrible Night To Have a Curse


Warborn


Nocturnal
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Flies


I'm Charming


Who sings the song it goes hey dear dahlia whats it like in new york city??

its like punk i think... ???

Who sings the song it goes hey dear dahlia whats it like in new york city??
Plain White T's.
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Reply:Plain White T's. i met them all of them the lead singer has a big noise but is still really cute
Reply:plain white t's. nyc is freakin awesome
Reply:PLAIN WHITE TEES ROCK!!!
Reply:palin white t's they are the best check out the song hate (i really dont like u) on itunes ull like that if u lik hey there dililia
Reply:the plain white T's





OMG! I love that song!
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Did the Loch Ness Monster kill the Black Dahlia?

The film "Amazon Women on the Moon" has a part with Nessie in Inverness cape %26amp; deerstalker stalking prostitutes in London in 1888. Since he was Jack the Ripper, my theory is that he came to the USA and slew Liz Short. I have another theory I told my family: "Janice Knowlton and Steve Hodel wrote books that say their fathers killed BD. I'll write that Dad did it." Dad was drunk and muttered, "I didn't do it! You did it!" I said, "That's quite a trick for me to go 405 miles from SF to LA and kill a gal 1/15/1947...21.5 years before I was born." I told my lover Miyuki and her pals about this. Kumiko said, "I believe Miyuki killed Liz." That'd be another great feat, since Miyuki was born 6/5/71. She blushes when Kumiko or Yuki play such pranks on her. So, do you think the BD Killer was my father or Janice's or Steve's; Miyuki; Nessie or someone else?

Did the Loch Ness Monster kill the Black Dahlia?
I believe it was a Government conspiracy and George Bush did it, why it all makes sense.
Reply:It doesn't matter, it is already dead, nothing can bring it back to life.


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Can you repost the topic of the Black Dahlia that you had on your homepage 9/1/06?

People who were having trouble loading up the site want to view it again.

Can you repost the topic of the Black Dahlia that you had on your homepage 9/1/06?
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Gold Rush Million Dollar Round - word find - Black Dahlia Dame?

Elizabeth Short is the name of the woman called "Black Dahlia"

Gold Rush Million Dollar Round - word find - Black Dahlia Dame?
kirshner





what is the answer for men in black impersonator?
Reply:The answer is KIRSHNER


if you look at the way at the top right and go down under the "Y", there a "k" and that's where you'll find it
Reply:Kirchner right hand column
Reply:scarlett johansen


How much is the print "York & Lancaster Rose & Dahlia" by V. Bartholomen worth?

found this floral piece in an oval frame in an old attic not sure if it's a print or the real deal. It also has the words "drawn from nature %26amp; on stone" in small print.

How much is the print "York %26amp; Lancaster Rose %26amp; Dahlia" by V. Bartholomen worth?
York %26amp; Lancaster Rose %26amp; Dahlia is a piece I found on ebay going for $19.00 + sh.


http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-floral-print...





Not sure if it's "real" or not. One thing you can try is submitting your piece for appraisal. Browse around this site and check out their services. I believe it's $9.95 for an appraisal.





http://www.whatsitworthtoyou.com/





Best of Luck,


The Light™


Whats your favorite song by The Black Dahlia Murder?

I cant think of my favorite... the whole cd Nocturnal is ******* amazing.

Whats your favorite song by The Black Dahlia Murder?
Miasma
Reply:Everything Went Black.
Reply:what a horrible night to have a curse
Reply:I'm Charming.

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Would you recommend watching the film 'Black Dahlia'?

YES - It's got that "LA Confidential, film noir thingy going for it %26amp; good stars. I liked it

Would you recommend watching the film 'Black Dahlia'?
yes.
Reply:no
Reply:yes i would. very interesting. in a morbid kinda way. :)
Reply:its on youtube.com and peekvid.com c 4 urself
Reply:it completley depends on what type of films you interested in. The story barely scratches the surface of action adventure. Ther name is spointless aswel as their are evry few referalls to The Black Dahlia however it is a good murder Mystery that will have your heart racing with anticipation.
Reply:yes
Reply:No - thought it was going to be a really good thriller/mystery - and was severely disappointed. N some scences.... way too graffic for my liking.


Did you go and see The Black Dahlia?

what did you think? have you read the book "Severed" which is all about her and the murder? if you read that book whatis your input on everything?

Did you go and see The Black Dahlia?
Yes - to both questions.





They only used part of the book for the film.





I thought it was a real visual feast - every frame was gorgeous.





However, the plot was confusing - and not very interesting (very little of the film is about the murder of The Black Dahlia).





And, frankly, I'm ready for Scarlett Johansen's 15 minutes to be up - she's in EVERYTHING. It was impossible to believe her character - she's just too recognizable.





In fairness - Hillary Swank and Fiona Shaw were terrific - I think Shaw will get an Oscar nod.
Reply:It looks good. I plan on seeing it this weekend if i can find this question again...I'll let you know! :)


Do I need to dead head my Dahlia's to keep them flowering?

I also noticed that after the flower fades there is a round ball like pod or something...It is confusing because it almost looks like it is a flower about to open...The plants are full of these now and no flowers.Are these seed pods that need to be cut off so the plant will keep flowering?or are these indeed new flower heads about to open???

Do I need to dead head my Dahlia's to keep them flowering?
YES!
Reply:yes, you should cut the seed head off down at the connection to the part of the stem where the leaves are.
Reply:Definately yes.
Reply:Yes.Yes.Yes. All plnts should dedeheaded to encourage more blooms. The plant thinks it is supposed to reproduce itself. You fool it by dedheading.


Anyone can say good or bad about Dahlia? How hardy is it in zone 6?

I dont know why I have never noticed this perennial shrub much before.





Can anyone tell me how long they usually bloom for, which colors they have,do they have them in evergreen, how much sun, soil, etc?





Looking for a nice short hedge type of flowering shrub that would bloom from late Spring till Frost, if possible that would do well in Zone 6.





Thanks for your answers!

Anyone can say good or bad about Dahlia? How hardy is it in zone 6?
I'm in zone 6 and Dahlias are flowers...not shrubs. They are not hardy here and in order to have them again the next year you would have to dig up the plant and over winter it in your garage or in the basement. They are awesome flowers tho and the blooms are probably unbeatable in size and color.





A long blooming shrub for zone 6 would be a variety of Spirea. Goldmound.....Little Princess....Gold Flame..there are many varieties to consider. The best part of these shrubs are you can prune them back and each time they will shower you with another spectacular array of blooms! They will require a bit of maintenance...but not an overwhelming amount.


Here is a link to look at some dahlias.....


http://www.dahlias.freeservers.com/p16.h...





and here is one for the spirea....


http://www.youcanlearnseries.com/Landsca...
Reply:The Dahlia I know is not a shrub, but a tuber plant that if not careful can rot in the winter months. They do come in many different colors and sizes.


As far as finding a shrub that flowers from spring till frost is going to be tough. One of the longest flowers shrubs that I know of is a plant I know of as an Abise Bush. I am not sure if that is the proper name. Talk to our local landscaper or nursery.
Reply:I am not sure where zone 6 is, maybe somewhere cold Stateside? Dahlias are super for whole range of colours and types,[ check google for info]. In Britain they need frost protection, and don't flower before summer. They like a rich soil and sunshine.

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Can we eat the fasciculated roots of Dahlia?

NO! they are EXTREMLY poisonous!!!!!!!!!1111!!11!!1!!!!

Can we eat the fasciculated roots of Dahlia?
i would.
Reply:i would not reccomend it, unless you want to die.


Can any one tell me something about dahlia draycott?

she is a character in a nancy drew mystery which has just been made into a film


Who do you think was the Black Dahlia killer?

Unfortunately i have never heard of this murder but i searched it on wikipedia and it said a suspect was Elizabeth Short


I hope i have helped maybe :D


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Who do you think was the Black Dahlia killer?
the bad cop
Reply:The police ran out of clues except for one very important detail; the killer (or killers) kept her purse and it's contents.





This could be considered an act of trophy collecting. This in turn would suggest a serial killer. Perhaps someone who has killed after Elizabeth's murder but refined the method and displaying of the body?





I personally think the strongest evidence points to someone who had a lot of time and privacy. They would have needed the facilities to cut her in half and deal with the resulting blood and viscera. Perhaps a mortuary worker? Someone who knew how to torture and then had the time and leisure to dump the body and tease the police later on.





Random killers don't usually keep anything that would tie them to their crime. This person(s) took time and pleasure in killing Elizabeth and kept her belongings as a reminder.





The movie was made from the Ellroy book which was a complete work of fiction BTW.





We will never know who killed her now. Not unless someone finds the missing items and can produce blood stains for DNA work.





A true mystery and a classic piece of Hollywood gore-lore.
Reply:The last I heard was that it was a surgeon who (ironically) was the father of a man who spent his entire career as a detective on the Los Angeles Police Department and worked on cold case files.


Has anyone here read the book "Black Dahlia Avenger?"?

I read the book by Steve Hodel about a year ago and was wondering what other people thought of it. The evidence in favor of George Hodel was pretty compelling and although it wasn't quite the smoking gun I was expecting, I am farily convinced that he was the killer. What are your thoughts?

Has anyone here read the book "Black Dahlia Avenger?"?
I think his theory as to the identity of the Black Dahlia butcher is a valid possibility...but there are just too many loose ends, too many suppositions on his part to make me completely comfortable with his conclusions.





Hodel makes a compelling case. But I doubt if any court of law would base a verdict on the evidence he offers.





It's a grotesquely fascinating case, isn't it? If insanity isn't the motivation for the murder...sorry, it's too early in the day for me to think about it!
Reply:sorry but no i haven't read it..how do you know how many protons the elements have? Report It


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What do you think about the black dahlia case?

any evidence about who killed her? who do you think killed her?

What do you think about the black dahlia case?
i think it was that doctor - i'll have to find you his name. be right back with a link





http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_mu...





George Hodel - they did a whole show on American Justice about him - you might can google and find out all the info - it seems to me he is the killer although there have been many suspects.





Back in the day, the police department there could be paid off easily. I'ts funny they had evidence against him, including tapped phone conversations, but he moved away, and one cop dropped the case against him - Very interesting story





edit - ghostmom , Black Dahlia was a virgin. She had a medical condition that wouldn't allow her to have sex - she could not be penetrated -(interesting FACT)- they've never said exactly what her condition was, but I wonder if she was a hermaphrodyte (sic)
Reply:I think the doc she was having an affair with-when she got pregnant,he botched a abortion and after she died from it,cut her up to fool authorities


Who killed Elizabeth Short (aka "The Black Dahlia") ?

It's been 60 years. Why the heck has no one solved this case yet? Was her killer that successful?

Who killed Elizabeth Short (aka "The Black Dahlia") ?
For a good discussion of her death and the suspects, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_S...
Reply:It was apparently a surgeon who was having an affair with her. The surgeon's son became a detective on the Los Angeles Police Department and came upon the crime's details in the cold case files. He's retired from the force and wrote a book about it.
Reply:I think that technology wasn't as advanced as it is now. Even now it would be hard to find out who killed her. Finger prints and other clues could be lost because of the amount of time that has passed. For example, if you wanted to take a finger print now, the oils that someone left when they touched the victim or her belongings could have dissappeared, leaving no chance to get a print. Besides, people clammed up when she was murdered. Matthew Gordon's family, her fiance's family, distanced themselves from the murder. Plus it didn't make things easier when people falsely confessed to the crime.


Has Anyone Seen the Film "The Black Dahlia"?

Was it any good? I'm fascinated with the murder case itself, but the film has a very good cast and I wondered if it was worth going to see.

Has Anyone Seen the Film "The Black Dahlia"?
Saw it and was totally disappointed, as the book on which it's based is one of my favorites. Whoever told Josh Hartnett he could act was either lying or on drugs: he's an ultra-light piece of fluff with no ability to deliver a line that rings true. Brian DePalma, the director, gave us not a "noir" thriller; it's more of a "blanc". Skip it, and read the book by James Ellroy instead.
Reply:Well let me give you my version of the movie. The ending pissed me off! I saw the original classic of the Black Dahlia several times, and this film will only copy from the original story with new stars; new glamour possibly a new setting. But the story is the same. But go check it out for yourself because I've noticed that when people go to the movies and see the same film, different people view the film differently as far as their opinion of the film.
Reply:I went to see it a couple of weeks ago i havent been so bored for ages. what a load of rubbish and that is being nice.
Reply:Yep, didn't enjoy it though.
Reply:All the reviews say it is terrible.
Reply:I haven't seen it yet. I will say this though...scarlett johansson has the most gorgeous chest I have ever seen!!! I know that there is no nudity from her in this film though so I probably won't go see it....sigh....and my wait continues....
Reply:nope sorry
Reply:No!
Reply:Yes, it's pretty good.





Critics felt like the story was too jumpy and a little contrived, but I disagree. You go to a movie like that to be put in that era and see images from that era as part of the story, and the director did an excellent job in that pursuit.
Reply:Nope...everyone saying novel much, much better....still gonna go c it tho
Reply:no i am waiting to see
Reply:I haven't seen it yet, but I want to... although by the sounds of it i might wait till it comes out to rent. I want to see Hollywoodland also.


and Alena is right, being bisexual is twice as hard
Reply:i went to see it but i fell asleep. so i guess technically i didn't see it, but it certainly didn't hold my attention.
Reply:no,is it good?


Who do you think killed the black dahlia?

Elizabeth Short (July 29, 1924 – January 15, 1947), was an aspiring actress better known as the Black Dahlia. She was the victim of murder, at age 22, in 1947. The murder remains unsolved.





Short was last seen alive on the evening of January 9, 1947, in the lobby of the Biltmore Hotel at 5th Street and Olive in downtown Los Angeles. She was 22 years old.





On January 15, 1947, her body was discovered in a vacant lot of the 3800 block of South Norton Avenue in the Leimert Park neighborhood of Los Angeles, cut in half at the waist and mutilated.





Elizabeth Short was laid to rest in Mountain View Cemetery, Oakland, California. She was interred there, rather than in a cemetery within Medford, because her oldest sister lived in nearby Berkeley and, reportedly, because she loved California.

Who do you think killed the black dahlia?
umm it was that Dr. guy I forget his mane it might have had a Z in it. He had black slicked back hair, thin build, and wore glasses. I'll try to find out his name they didn't find out about it till after he was dead himself maybe.
Reply:O.J. Simpson
Reply:A medical student.
Reply:Jimmy Hoffa

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Ok, I watched the movie "The Black Dahlia" and I am so confused, who killed Elizabeth Short?

Please help!

Ok, I watched the movie "The Black Dahlia" and I am so confused, who killed Elizabeth Short?
It is one of the most notorious unsolved mysteries.





Upon the release of the murder in the press, several men and women admitted to the crime. But the police could not validate anyone's story. The case, notoriously, attracted several false confessions.





To date, according to the LAPD, the case goes unsolved. Though Janice Knowlton has authored a book naming her father as the killer, police have not reported Ms. Knowlton's statements or information as holding any water at all.
Reply:it is still an unsolved mystery. the case was never solved and has been deemed California's most horrific unsolved murder.
Reply:According to the film, it was the drunken crazy lady.
Reply:I didn't see the movie, but i know the story of The Black Dahlia, and that's the thing; no one really knows who killed Elizabeth. There were a lot of suspects, but no one was ever actually convicted. It's one of the greatest unsolved crimes in U.S history.
Reply:We still don't know. There is a lot of speculation, but nothing concrete to link it
Reply:I think it's an unsolved mystery.
Reply:it unsolved. hopefully they come out with another movie to explain it


Monday, May 17, 2010

When is the best time to plant dahlia tubers in zone 5?

when soil temps reach 58 degrees, danger of frost is passed


What are some ncinames for the name Dahlia?

Dolly, Lia, Dal, Ali, Ailha (last five letters backwards).

What are some ncinames for the name Dahlia?
Doll, Dolly(ie) Lia, Alia





Blessings
Reply:lia


Dollie


ahliee
Reply:Leea


Dee


Dally


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Who is going to see the "Black Dahlia" movie ?

Who was she and why was she killed in such a bizarre manner ?

Who is going to see the "Black Dahlia" movie ?
Her name was Elizabeth Short and no one knows why she was killed that way. I am not going to see the movie because I heard it's not good at all. I am reading the book,"The Black Dahlia Files The Mob, the Mogul, and the Murder That Transfixed Los Angeles" by Donald H. Wolfe. It tells a lot about her and the murder.
Reply:I plan on see'n it.
Reply:I'm going, just 'cause I've heard all those unsolved mysteries %26amp; 60 minutes shows about the case. Sounds interesting.
Reply:ME ME ME. Go see it, don't ask what is about.
Reply:my friend and i wanted to see it but im definetely reconsidering that because of the bad reviews its getting
Reply:I was planning on going but got sick of seeing the trailers on TV so often. When a movie is advertised that often, it is usually not very good. So I may watch it on DVD, or maybe not.
Reply:The case was never solved and never will be.
Reply:I am I am it looks so good! Are you?
Reply:I've heard the movie is horrible.





More info about the murder can be found here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_mu...

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I cant wait to see the black dahlia when it comes out.....!!! is it any good??

It's not all that great. They add other stories in the movie that distract the attention from the Black Dahlia.

I cant wait to see the black dahlia when it comes out.....!!! is it any good??
yeah it is alsome
Reply:wrong section i think?
Reply:Hahahaha. . .that's the funniest joke I ever heard.
Reply:damn this is a whopper of a riddle!! :)
Reply:gee i don't know, it hasn't come out here either.


What is the best way to store Dahlia Tubors over the winter months?

I leave about three inches of old stalk attached to the tubers and lay them down in an empty seed tray and cover them loosely with compost / soil. I then keep them in an unheated greenhouse in the dry.


By spring time they will have started to show signs of life with tiny new growth. As soon as these become established and the weather has warmed up a little, (in the UK by the end of May), then they are ready to plant out.


I hope this helps.

What is the best way to store Dahlia Tubors over the winter months?
We just cut ours down the other day and covered them with about a foot of leaves and a tarp. Here in Wa. we don't get real cold winters but it is most often wet. We stored them in a box of wood shavings last year and the results were less than ideal. Maybe we didn't clean them good enough but some of them molded. I had them in a dry storage shed. This year we are trying "leave them in the ground".
Reply:It gets very cold where I am in northern VT. My mother-in-law has lived here (with Dahlias in her garden) for 14 years. They have to be dug up each fall (we dug ours up a couple of weeks ago), and stored in a paper bag or cardboard box in the basement. She has never had a problem with them coming back after re-planting them in the spring. Darn things spread so much that every fall she splits the tubes and give half of them away.





Good luck!
Reply:We store ours in peat moss ,from time to time give the peat moss a mist with water to keep it damp in order to prevent the tubers from drying out. Just like when you buy the tubers from the store ! same idea except in cardboard boxes .
Reply:brown bag it %26amp; store in dry place
Reply:I don't know where you live, but I've found the best way to keep them, is leave them in the ground with a mulch over them! Tried digging them up and leaving them in the shed in a brown bag, but plants either didn't grow or were disappointing in subsequent year. Left them in last year and had a fantastic show this summer. Winters are much milder now. Try leaving some in as an experiment,
Reply:You can lift them, let them dry a day and then pack them in paper bags with slightly damp peat. But I have found them to be fussy, so I leave them in the ground on my south-facing slope. We are in zone 7 and they make it as long as I put mulch on them.


Did you like the movie "The Black Dahlia"?

Yes

Did you like the movie "The Black Dahlia"?
never seen it
Reply:No...I was disappointed in it. I thought it was going to be about the murder of Elizabeth Short and it was not. It was a gruesome murder and the movie shed absolutely no light on it...not to mention the fact that they had the facts wrong about her. She was not a lesbian and was not sexually active.
Reply:Oh wow, it was so horrible!


It is pretty bad when during a pivotal scene (that nutty woman freaking out) I am actually LAUGHING out loud. It was so over the top and just terribly acted.
Reply:No I was very disappointed.I've done a lot of reading on the case and it barely had any information about the real story.They could of done so much more with the story.


Does anyone know anything about the Black Dahlia?

I know that this woman whose real name was Elisabeth Short was murdered in 1949 in L.A. and it has since then gone unsolved. I'm also aware of the fact that there is a move vaguely based on the story coming out this fall. I'm wondering if anyone can actually direct me to some more informative sites or have any random info regarding this mystery. It's homework and for once, something that I'm actually interested in.

Does anyone know anything about the Black Dahlia?
Elizabeth Short, better known as the Black Dahlia, was the victim of an infamous murder in 1947. She was born July 29, 1924 and died January 15, 1947.





Born in Hyde Park, Massachusetts, Short was raised in Medford by her mother, Phoebe Mae. Her father, Cleo, abandoned her and her four sisters in October, 1930.





Troubled by asthma, she spent summers in Medford and winters in Florida. At the age of 19, she went to Vallejo, California to live with her father, and they moved to Los Angeles in early 1943. She left almost immediately because of an argument with her father and got a job in one of the post exchanges at Camp Cooke, which is now Vandenberg Air Force Base, near Lompoc. She moved to Santa Barbara, where she was arrested September 23, 1943, for underage drinking and was sent back to Medford by juvenile authorities.





For the next few years she resided in various cities in Florida, with occasional trips back to Massachusetts, earning money mostly as a waitress.





In Florida she met Maj. Matthew M. Gordon Jr., who was part of the 2nd Air Commandos and training for deployment in the China Burma India theater of operations. Short told friends that Gordon -- who according to his obituary in the Pueblo, Colo., newspaper, was awarded a Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, the Air Medal with 15 oak leaf clusters, and Purple Heart -- wrote a letter from India proposing marriage while recovering from an airplane crash he suffered while trying to rescue a downed flier. She accepted his proposal, but he died in a crash on August 10, 1945, before he could return to the U.S. to marry her. Short later embellished this story to say that they were married and had a child that had died. Although Gordon's friends in the air commandos confirm Gordon and Short were engaged, his family subsequently denied any connection once Short was murdered.





She returned to Southern California in July 1946, to see an old boyfriend she met in Florida during the war, Lt. Gordon Fickling, who was stationed in Long Beach. For the six months that remained of her life, she stayed in Southern California, mainly in the Los Angeles area. During this time, she lived in at least a dozen hotels, apartment buildings, rooming houses, and private homes, never staying anywhere for more than a few weeks.





Short was last seen on the evening of January 9, 1947, in the lobby of the Biltmore Hotel at 5th Street and Olive in downtown Los Angeles. She was 22 years old.





On January 15, 1947, her body was discovered in a vacant lot of the 3800 block of South Norton Avenue in the Leimert Park neighborhood of Los Angeles, cut in half at the waist and mutilated. She was interred in Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland rather than Medford because her oldest sister lived in Berkeley and because she loved California.





A number of people, none of whom knew Short in life, contacted police and the newspapers, claiming to have seen her during her so-called "missing week," between the time of her disappearance January 9 and the time her body as found on January 15. Police and district attorney investigators ruled out each of these alleged sightings, sometimes identifying other women that witnesses had mistaken for Short. [1]





According to newspaper reports shortly after the murder, Short received the nickname Black Dahlia at a Long Beach drugstore in the summer of 1946, as a play on the then-current movie The Blue Dahlia, starring Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake. Los Angeles County district attorney investigators' reports state the nickname was invented by newspaper reporters covering the murder. In either case, Short was not generally known as the "Black Dahlia" in life.





Many crime books and other allegedly factual accounts of the case, including a few newspaper stories appearing shortly after the murder, claim that Short lived in or visited Los Angeles at various times in the mid-1940s; but these claims have never been substantiated, and are refuted by the findings of the law enforcement officers who investigated the case. A document in the Los Angeles County district attorney's files titled "Movements of Elizabeth Short Prior to June 1, 1946" states that Short was in Florida and Massachusetts from September 1943 through the early months of 1946, and gives a detailed account of her living and working arrangements during this period.





Although popular myth as well as many "true crime" books portray Short as a call girl, a report by the district attorney's office for the Los Angeles County Grand Jury states that she was not a prostitute.





This unsolved murder has been viewed as emblematic of the perception of Los Angeles as a dystopia.





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Suspects


The Black Dahlia murder investigation by the LAPD was the largest since the murder of Marian Parker in 1927, and involved hundreds of officers borrowed from other law enforcement agencies. Because of the complexity of the case, the original investigators treated every person who knew Elizabeth Short as a suspect who had to be eliminated. Hundreds of people were considered suspects and thousands were interviewed by police. Sensational and sometimes inaccurate press coverage, as well as the horrible nature of the crime, focused intense public attention on the case. About 60 people confessed to the murder, mostly men, as well as a few women. As the case continues to command public attention, many people are suggested as the possible killer of Elizabeth Short, much like the Jack the Ripper case.





22 District Attorney suspects: A summary of each of 22 suspects investigated by the Los Angeles district attorney's office, transcribed from the official document, can be found at this site.


Walter Bayley: Dr. Walter Alonzo Bayley was a Los Angeles surgeon who lived in a house one block south of the vacant lot in which Elizabeth Short’s body was found, until leaving his wife in October 1946. At the time of the murder, Bayley’s estranged wife still lived in the home. Bayley's daughter was a friend of Elizabeth Short's sister Virginia and brother-in-law Adrian, and had been the matron of honor at their wedding. When Bayley died in January 1948, his autopsy showed that he was suffering from degenerative brain disease. After his death, Bayley's widow alleged that his mistress knew a "terrible secret" about Bayley and claimed this was the reason the mistress was the main beneficiary upon his death. Bayley was never a suspect in the case, but many medical doctors and others with medical training were. In secret testimony, Detective Harry Hansen, one of the original investigators, told the 1949 Los Angeles County Grand Jury that in his opinion, the killer was a "top medical man" and "a fine surgeon." Bayley was 67 years old at the time of the murder, had no known history of violence or criminal activity of any kind, and is not known to have met Short.


When Larry Harnisch, a copy editor and writer for the Los Angeles Times, began studying the case in 1996, he eventually concluded that Bayley could be Elizabeth Short's killer.[2] Although critics of Harnisch's theory question whether Bayley's mental and physical condition at the time of the murder would have been consistent with the commission of this type of crime, the original investigators' theory that the body was cut in half because the killer wasn't strong enough to move it intact partially answers this objection. Harnisch theorizes that Bayley’s neurological deterioration contributed to his alleged violence against Short. Some have suggested that the secret that Bayley’s mistress was blackmailing him with was that he had performed abortions, then a crime. However, there is no evidence that Bayley performed abortions or associated with anyone involved in performing abortions. Author James Ellroy endorsed Harnisch's theory in the film "James Ellroy's Feast of Death".[3]


Norman Chandler: Chandler, publisher of the Los Angeles Times, is accused of involvement in Elizabeth Short's murder, in Donald Wolfe's The Mob, the Mogul, and the Murder That Transfixed Los Angeles. In a complicated scenario involving multiple perpetrators, Wolfe claims that Chandler impregnated Short while she was working as a call girl for the notorious Hollywood "madam" Brenda Allen, which led to Short's murder at the hands of gangster Bugsy Siegel. Wolfe's claim that Short was a prostitute is at odds with the Los Angeles County district attorney's files, which plainly state that she was not. [4]


Joseph A. Dumais: Joseph Dumais, a 29-year-old soldier stationed at Fort Dix, New Jersey, confessed to the murder a few weeks after it occurred. Although this "breakthrough" was quickly dismissed by the original investigators, the Los Angeles press covered enthusiastically until it was revealed that Dumais had remained in Fort Dix at the time of the murder. Dumais was cleared of any involvement in the crime, although he continued to claim he killed Elizabeth Short each time he was arrested for various offenses, well into the 1950s.


Woody Guthrie: The folksinger was one of the many suspects in the murder, according to the Los Angeles County district attorney's files and Ramblin' Man: The Life and Times of Woody Guthrie written by Ed Cray and published in 2004 by W.W. Norton, Page 331. According to Cray, Guthrie drew police attention due to some sexually explicit letters and lurid tabloid clippings he sent to a northern California woman with whom he was smitten. The mailings disturbed their recipient so much that she showed them to her sister in Los Angeles, who contacted the police. Guthrie was quickly cleared of involvement in the murder, but various authorities attempted to prosecute him, with minor success, on charges related to sending prohibited materials through the mails.


George Hodel : Dr. George Hodel came under police scrutiny in October 1949, when his 14-year-old daughter, Tamar, accused him of molesting her. Hodel was tried and acquitted of these charges in December 1949. The molestation case led the LAPD to include Hodel, a physician specializing in public health (not a surgeon), among its many suspects in the Dahlia case. Authorities put Hodel under surveillance from Feb. 18 to March 27, 1950 to ascertain whether he was implicated in the murder. In the final report to the grand jury dated Feb. 20, 1951, Lt. Frank Jemison of the Los Angeles County district attorney's office wrote:


Doctor George Hodel, M.D., 5121 Fountain Ave., at the time of this murder had a clinic at East 1st Street near Alameda. Lillian Lenorak [note: a mental patient later confined to the state hospital at Camarillo] who lived with this doctor said he spent some time around the Biltmore Hotel and identified the photo of victim Short as a photo of one of the doctor's girlfriends. Tamara Hodel, 15-year-old daughter, stated that her mother, Dorothy Hodel, had told her that her father had been out all night on a party the night of this murder and said: "They'll never be able to prove I did that murder." Two microphones were placed in this suspect's home[5] (see the logs and recordings made over approximately three weeks' time which tend to prove his innocence. See statement of Dorothy Hodel, former wife[6]). Informant Lillian Lenorak has been committed to the State Mental Institution at Camarillo. Joe Barrett, a roomer at the Hodel residence cooperated as an informant. A photograph of the suspect in the nude with a nude identified colored model was secured from his personal effects. Undersigned identified this model as Mattie Comfort 3423 1/2 S. Arlington, RE public 4953. She said that she was with Doctor Hodel sometime prior to the murder and that she knew nothing about his being associated with victim. Rudolph Walters, known to have been acquainted with victim and also with suspect Hodel claimed that he had not seen victim in the presence of Hodel and did not believe that the doctor had ever met the victim. The following acquaintances of Hodel were questioned and none were able to connect this suspect with this murder--Fred Sexton, 1020 White Knoll Drive; Nita Moladoro, 1617 1/2 N. Normandie; Ellen Taylor, 5121 Fountain Ave.; Finley Thomas, 616 1/2 S. Normandie; Mildred B. Colby, 4629 Vista Del Monte St., Sherman Oaks, this witness was a girlfriend of Charles Smith, abortionist friend of Hodel; Tarin Gilkey, 1025 N. Wilcox; Irene Summerset, 1236 1/4 N. Edgmont; Norman Beckett, 1025 N. Wilcox; Ethel Kane, 1033 N. Wilcox; Annette Chase, 1039 N. Wkilcox; Dorothy Royer, 1636 N. Beverly Glenn. See supplemental reports, long sheets and hear recordings, all of which tend to eliminate this suspect.


This DA report was submitted at the completion of the DA's investigation of George Hodel and at least 21 other suspects.


In 2003, George Hodel's son, former LAPD Homicide Detective Steve Hodel, published a book claiming his father, who died in 1999, had in fact committed the Black Dahlia murder as well as a host of unsolved murders over the better part of two decades. Steve Hodel says he came up with the idea when he saw two pictures in his dead father's photo album that he claims resemble Short, although Short's family insists they are not of her and many other observers have failed to see the resemblance.[7]. Steve Hodel claims he was unaware at the time that his father had been a suspect in the case, although his sister Tamar was friends with Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer author Janice Knowlton and case documents make it clear that his parents and many of their associates knew the senior Hodel was a suspect. After reviewing the information presented in Steve Hodel's book, Head Deputy D.A. Stephen Kay (Manson Family prosecutor) proclaimed the case "solved," but others have noted that Kay, who has since retired, formed this conclusion by treating Steve Hodel's many disputed assertions as established fact. Detective Brian Carr, the LAPD officer currently in charge of the Black Dahlia case, said in a televised interview that he was baffled by Kay's response, adding that if he ever took a case as weak as Steve Hodel's to a prosecutor he would be "laughed out of the office". Author James Ellroy endorsed Steve Hodel's theory in the foreword to the paperback version of Hodel's book.[8]


George Knowlton: Little reliable information is available on George Knowlton, except that he lived in the Los Angeles area at the time of the Black Dahlia murder and died in an automobile accident in 1962. In the early 1990s, George Knowlton's daughter, Janice Knowlton, began claiming that she had witnessed her father murdering Elizabeth Short, a claim she based largely on "recovered memories" that surfaced during psychological therapy. The Los Angeles Times said in 1991:


Los Angeles Police Detective John P. St. John, one of the investigators who had been assigned to the case, said he has talked to Knowlton and does not believe there is a connection between the Black Dahlia murder and her father. "We have a lot of people offering up their fathers and various relatives as the Black Dahlia killer," said St. John, better known as Jigsaw John. "The things that she is saying are not consistent with the facts of the case."


But the Westminster Police Department took her claims seriously enough to dig up the grounds around Ms. Knowlton's childhood home, looking for evidence. They found nothing to tie George Knowlton to the crime. In 1995, Ms. Knowlton created a sub-genre as the first person to publish a book claiming that his or her own father committed the Black Dahlia murder. The book was written with veteran crime writer Michael Newton. In the book Ms. Knowlton, a former professional singer and owner of a public relations company, alleged that her father had been having an affair with Elizabeth Short and that Short was staying in a makeshift bedroom in their garage, where she suffered a miscarriage. Ms. Knowlton said she was later forced to accompany her father when he disposed of the body.[9]. Ms. Knowlton claimed that a former member of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department told her that George Knowlton was considered a suspect in the case by that agency, but this claim is unsupported by public documents that have since been released in the case. She claimed the same source told her that future LAPD chief and California politician Ed Davis and Los Angeles County District Attorney Buron Fitts were suspects in the murder as well. Janice Knowlton died of an overdose of prescription drugs in 2004, in what was deemed a suicide by the Orange County, CA, coroner's office.


In a curious side note to her accusations against her father, Ms. Knowlton, who was a frequent contributor as jgk61 to various online forums where the Black Dahlia case was discussed, posted this article to a Usenet group in August 1998, in which she names Dr. George Hodel as a suspect in the case. George Hodel was the father of Steve Hodel, who published a book in 2003 naming his father as the killer. Ms. Knowlton's sister has since stated on amazon.com's web page for her sister's book, Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer, that after publication of Ms. Knowlton's book, Tamar Hodel, daughter of George Hodel and sister of Steve Hodel, contacted Ms. Knowlton and the two women remained "email pals for several years".


Ms. Knowlton also made claims prefiguring those of Black Dahlia Files author Donald Wolfe. In 1999, she claimed in various public fora that Norman Chandler participated in a cover-up of the murder. Ms. Knowlton claimed that on Halloween 1946 she was sold as a child prostitute to a Pasadena devil-worshiping sex cult at the age of 9 (Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer, Page 128). She frequently alleged that she was sold as a child prostitute to a long list of dead movie stars and other notables, including Norman Chandler, Gene Autry (whose name she continually misspelled as Autrey), Arthur Freed and Walt Disney. Knowlton became so abusive in her Usenet posts that Pacbell canceled her account in 1999.


Robert M. "Red" Manley: The last person seen with Elizabeth Short before her disappearance, Manley was the LAPD's top suspect in the first few days after killing. After two polygraph tests and a sworn alibi, Manley was set free.[10] He also identified Short's handbag purse and one of her shoes after they were discovered in a dumpster on January 25, 1947, several miles from the murder scene.[11] Manley, who had been discharged from the army due to mental disability, subsequently suffered a series of mental breakdowns resulting in his being committed to Patton State Hospital by his wife in 1954 after claiming to be hearing voices. He died on January 9, 1986.[12]


Orson Welles: In her 1999 book, Mary Pacios, a former neighbor of the Short family in Medford, MA, suggested filmmaker Orson Welles as a suspect.[13] Pacios bases this theory on such factors as Welles' volatile temperament and his obsession with cutting-in-half as indicated by the visual clues Pacios claims can be found in the crazy house set he designed for scenes that were later deleted from a film Welles was making around the time of the murder. Pacios also cites the magic act Welles performed to entertain soldiers during WW II. She believes that the bi-section of the body was part of the killer's signature and an acting out of the perpetrator's obsession. Welles applied for his passport on January 24, 1947 the same date the killer mailed a packet to Los Angeles newspapers. Welles left the country for an extended stay in Europe ten months after the murder. According to Pacios, witnesses she has interviewed say that both Welles and the victim frequented Brittingham's restaurant in Los Angeles during the same time period. Welles was never a suspect in the original investigation. Pacios now maintains a web site containing a great deal of information and official documents about the Black Dahlia case, but only a short section on Welles' supposed involvement. [14]


Jack Anderson Wilson (also known as Arnold Smith): Wilson was a life-long petty criminal and alcoholic who was interviewed by author John Gilmore while Gilmore was researching his book Severed. After Wilson's death, Gilmore named Wilson as a suspect due to his alleged acquaintance with Short. Prior to Wilson's death, however, Gilmore made an entirely different claim to the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner in a story appearing Jan. 17, 1982. While Severed says that homicide Detective John St. John was about to "close in" on Wilson based on the material Gilmore provided, St. John told the Herald-Examiner in the same article that he was busy with other killings and would review Gilmore's claims when he got time. As reliable sources of information about the case, such as the FBI files and portions of the Los Angeles district attorney files, have become publicly available, statements about Short and the murder attributed to Wilson in Severed and supposedly tying him to the crime have not been borne out as accurate. Severed also claims Wilson was involved in the murder of Georgette Bauerdorf.[15] Severed, and many other sources based on Severed, erroneously claim that Short and Bauerdorf knew each other in Los Angeles, supposedly because they were both hostesses at the same nightclub. In reality, by the time Short arrived in Los Angeles in 1946, Bauerdorf had been dead for two years and the nightclub had been closed for a year.


Some crime authors have speculated on a link between the Short murder and the Cleveland Torso Murders, also known as the Kingsbury Run Murders, which took place in Cleveland between 1934 and 1938.[16]. The original LAPD investigators examined this case in 1947 and discounted any relationship between the two, as they did with a large number of killings that occurred before and afterward, well into the 1950s.





Other crime authors have suggested a linkage between the Short murder and the 1945 murder of 6-year-old Suzanne Degnan in Chicago, who was also dismembered (and Short's body was discovered near Degnan Boulevard in Los Angeles). However, the so-called "Lipstick Killer" William Heirens confessed to the Degnan murder and was in jail when Short's body was discovered, although some have contended that Heirens was innocent of the Degnan murder.[17]





Author James Ellroy, who wrote a fictionalized account of the murder, has publicly endorsed at least two mutually exclusive solutions to the crime. Whenever confronted with this seeming contradiction at public appearances or by TV interviewers, Ellroy now refuses to discuss theories about the case. He now says the case is unsolved.





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Books, films and other media


A 1975 TV movie about the case, Who Is the Black Dahlia by Robert Lenski and starring Lucie Arnaz is a highly fictionalized version of the murder. Many details were changed because several people, including Short's mother and Red Manley, who brought Short from San Diego to Los Angeles, refused to sign releases for the studio.





John Gregory Dunne used the murder as a point of departure in his 1977 novel True Confessions, which was made into the 1981 film True Confessions starring Robert Duvall and Robert De Niro with a screenplay by Dunne and his wife, Joan Didion.





Neo-noir author James Ellroy based his 1987 book, The Black Dahlia on the crime. A film by Brian De Palma, based on the Ellroy novel, began production in Bulgaria in May 2005. Also titled The Black Dahlia, the movie will star Josh Hartnett, Aaron Eckhart, Scarlett Johansson, Hilary Swank, and Mia Kirshner as Elizabeth Short, and is planned for release in 2006.





A 1988 episode of the TV detective thriller Hunter depicts Rick Hunter and Dee Dee McCall discovering a case similar to the Black Dahlia murder when a skeleton that has been cut in half is found during demolition of a building constructed in 1947. Hunter and McCall are joined by a retired detective who worked on the Elizabeth Short case. The murderer in the recent case turns out to be Short's murderer as well. (A disclaimer at the end of the episode explains that the Black Dahlia case remains open and unsolved on the books of the Los Angeles Police Department.)





Take 2 Interactive published the computer game, Black Dahlia, in 1998. The puzzle-based adventure game tied Elizabeth Short's murder to Nazis and occult rituals which the player had to investigate. The game features Dennis Hopper, whose son-in-law was one of the company's owners, and Teri Garr. It also ties the murder to the infamous Cleveland Torso Murderer, though the torso murders' case was altered to fit into the storyline.





Max Allan Collins combined the Black Dahlia and Cleveland Torso Murder in his Shamus Award-winning 2002 novel, Angel in Black, featuring his character, private investigator Nathan Heller.





In 2002, rock star and artist Marilyn Manson created a series of water color paintings based upon the murder.





Bob Belden's 2001 CD Black Dahlia draws inspiration from the case for a moody, noir score divided into 12 sections depicting her life, on a par with Jerry Goldsmith's score for Chinatown and David Shire's music for the film Farewell, My Lovely.





Musician Lisa Marr also mentions the Black Dahlia in her song "In California" from the album 4 AM. This song was later covered by her former Cub bandmate Neko Case.





The band The Black Dahlia Murder take their name from this infamous murder.





Lamb of God (band) featured a song entitled The Black Dahlia on their album New American Gospel.





The lead singer of The Dwarves uses the stage name "Blag Dahlia," likely named for The Black Dahlia.





William Randolph Fowler, a reporter at the scene of the crime, included the Black Dahlia case in his 1991 autobiography, "Reporters: Memoirs of a Young Newspaperman."
Reply:http://www.bethshort.com/dahhome.htm





http://blackdahliasolution.org/





http://blackdahlia.info/modules/news/art...





I read a book called "Severed: The true story of the Black Dahlia Murder" which was very informative. Even down to the account of how they found her body (cut in half, triangle cut out on her thigh, one of her breast cut out, her mouth slit to look like a huge joker type grin) and the exact location in Los Angeles, CA (back then, a park or grassy area where the streets came together and formed a "V". When looking at it from a map, it looks like a woman's pubic area). It accounts who she was with around that time, where she hung out at in Downtown Los Angeles (many of those buildings still there). and what kind of person (her personality) she was. The book was very good. I'm sure there are others though.
Reply:Do you know how to use a search engine? (Google, Yahoo, etc.) Type in the term "Black Dahlia" in the search box and see how many sites come up. Or (gasp!) go to the library and find a book on the subject.


Here's one site
Reply:I've read a great book (Donald Wolfe; The Mob, the Mogul, and the Murder That Transfixed Los Angeles) on the murder case and have heard so many theories about what really happened that it makes my head spin. I'll include a few of my favorite sites for updates and information on the case. Hope your homework goes well.
Reply:go to www.crimelibrary.com
Reply:I've read a little about this case. There was actually a TV movie about it in the 1970s starring Lucie Arnaz, the daughter of Lucille Ball, as Elizabeth Short. It's just one bizarre case.





Try these links:





http://www.bethshort.com/dahhome.htm





http://www.theblackdahliamovie.net/





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahli...
Reply:www.theblackdahliamovie.net


www.bethshort.net
Reply:I didnt know anything about it too until I saw your question. Try http://www.bethshort.com/, http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_mu... http://www.prairieghosts.com/beth.html %26amp; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahli... And there is a novel %26amp; film based on it.

Rubber Slippers

Did anyone like the movie "The Black Dahlia"?

I can say with absolute certainty that yes, at least one person liked "The Black Dahlia". His name is Jim Slotek and he writes for the Toronto Sun.

Did anyone like the movie "The Black Dahlia"?
i haven't seen it, but it looks good!
Reply:My girlfriend hated it. She said it was terrible.


Who is the judge of the "Black Dahlia" case?

Please help!

Who is the judge of the "Black Dahlia" case?
Hello,





This is what I found about at Wikipedia about The Black Dahila case. The previous poster is right, since her murdered was never caught, there could be no judge, right?





Hope this helps you............................. : - O
Reply:Since they never arrested the person who committed the murder, how could there have been a judge?


What do you know about the Black Dahlia murder?

It says it in the title but seriously, who was she


when was she murdered


why was she murdered


what is her real name


where was she murdered


how was she murdered.


Thanks alot for any help! =]

What do you know about the Black Dahlia murder?
Her real name was Elizabeth Short. She was living in Los Angles when she was murdered. She was a dancer in clubs, dabbled in acting, was a waitress, and periodically unemployed. She knew some very seedy characters. She also knew some people she probably shouldn't have.





No one knows where she was murdered as her body was removed and taken to the spot it was found.


Her throat was slit, but she had been burned and tortured before she died. Her body was descrated, deliberately. She is buried in Los Angles and her killer has never been named. Lots of specuation though
Reply:uhh well.. im kinda confused... :D what u ralkin about?


Has anyone heard the song "my black dahlia" by hollywood undead? what do you think about it?

here are the lyrics:


[The Server aka Endless Summer 2:]


I loved you, you made me, hate me.


You gave me, hate, see?.


It saved me and these tears are deadly.


You feel that?


I rip back, every time you tried to steal that.


You feel bad? you feel sad?


I'm sorry, hell no **** that!


It was my heart, it was my life, it was my start, it was your knife.


This strife it dies, this life and these lies.


And these lungs have sung this song for too long, and its true I hurt too, remember I loved you!





[Chorus - Tha Producer aka Da Seducer:]


I've , Lost it all, fell today, It's all the same


I'm sorry oh


I'm sorry no


I've , been abused, I feel so used, because of you


I'm sorry oh


I'm sorry no





[J-Dog aka The Flat Iron Chef:]


I wish I could I could have quit you.


I wish I never missed you,


And told you that I loved you, every time I ****** you.


The future that we both drew, and all the **** we've been through.


Obsessed with the thought of you, the pain just grew and grew!


How could you do this to me?


Look at what I made for you, it never was enough and the world is what I gave to you.


I used to be love struck; now I'm just ****** up.


Pull up my sleeves and see the pattern of my cuts!





[Chorus]





[Bridge - Tha Producer and Shady]


Seems like all we had is over now you left to rest.


And your tears are dried up now, you just lay without a sound.


Seems like all we had is over now, you left to rest.


And my fears are over now, I can leave with my head down.





[Chorus]

Has anyone heard the song "my black dahlia" by hollywood undead? what do you think about it?
My Black Dahlia is pretty awesome... Just like Hollywood Undead :D
Reply:Yes i have heard this song. I think its awesome. The sound of the song is rockin and the lyrics are incredible. When I first heard it they really hit me as I have felt exactly like this to many times.
Reply:omgsh.. i used to love that song.
Reply:Never heard of the song but I have heard about the movie.....and they movie was really cool...

get well flowers